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you are one of the most trusted former intelligence
officials in the U.S defense and intelligence

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establishment yes I was you were trusted with
the most Intimate Secrets yes what conclusion

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did you come to at the end of your time on
the UAP task force the UAP task force was

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refuse access to a broad crash retrieval program
when you say crash retrieval what do you mean

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these are retrieving non-human origin technical
Vehicles you know call it spacecraft if you

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will non-human exotic origin vehicles that
have either landed or crashed we have spacecraft

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from another species we do yeah

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thank you

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there's nothing to hack there's nothing to
hide at all foreign

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what's up guys Ryan Sprague here from somewhere
in the live stream uh sorry for the technical

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difficulties you got a little backstage preview
of me there during our theme music um so yeah

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um let me preface this with some stuff my
audio probably isn't amazing right now and

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I know that I am in central London right now
on assignment so I do not have my microphone

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or my good camera with me so I do apologize
in advance for the quality of my audio and

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visual but um we're gonna make do tonight
I I wasn't going to uh be doing anything UFO

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related this weekend as I'm traveling and
sort of on holiday uh but this story broke

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and we're a UFO podcast we have to cover it
so um first off I might not be completely

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up to date with all the developments in this
story however we do have one of the people

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involved with this joining us tonight in just
a little while you should be joining us around

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uh 4 30 p.m Eastern Standard Time to talk
all about this break it down with us his involvement

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with this how everything came to be and where
we're headed next with this entire David grush

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story so what I'm going to do first for those
of you who may not be too familiar with what

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is going on in the UFO world I don't know
how you couldn't be um this story broke on

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the debrief recently and then also over at
news Nation as well and um that was with Ross

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kulthart and we will be talking to Ross culthart's
co-host of the need to know podcast in just

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a little bit I'm just going to say it Bryce
zabel is here I'm so excited I'm so nervous

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we have more people watching live right now
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so um way to go with those technical difficulties
Ryan uh but if this is your first time being

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here thank you so much this is a live stream
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of the Shameless plugs let's get to this big
story um there's so many comments coming in

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guys so I will try I will try to get to some
of these tonight I promise best way is the

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Super Chat as I see we already have one here
from one of our regulars and that is James

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Craig thank you James any news about your
Calvin field trip uh developing I'll talk

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about that at the end of the show tonight
um really exciting impromptu journey to Calvin

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in Scotland where the famous 1990 calvine
UFO photograph was taken I had the amazing

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opportunity to travel up there with uh James
Fox the documentary filmmaker um very last

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minute thing it was awesome so uh yeah I'll
talk about that later um but we're here to

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talk about the story everyone is here to hear
about and that is this whistleblower that

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came out Dave Crush recently so let me go
ahead and I've got a little clip from the

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now Infamous news Nation uh segment that uh
Dave gross did with Ross goldthard so we're

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gonna play that and then I'm gonna break down
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story and we're gonna go from there and invite
Bryce abelin when he gets here so um yeah

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let me go ahead and play that clip for you
guys and I will see you on the other side

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for that one of the most trusted former intelligence
officials in the U.S defense and intelligence

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establishment yes I was you were trusted with
the most Intimate Secrets yes what conclusion

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did you come to at the end of your time on
the UAP task course uh the UAP task force

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was refuse access to a broad crash retrieval
program when you say crash retrieval what

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do you mean these are retrieving non-human
origin technical Vehicles you know call it

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spacecraft if you will non-human exotic origin
vehicles that have either landed or crashed

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we have spacecraft from another species we
do yeah how many quite a number you're kidding

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no I thought it was totally nuts and I thought
at first I was being deceived it was a ruse

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people started confiding in me they approached
me I have plenty of current former senior

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Intelligence Officers that came to me many
which I knew almost my whole career that confided

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to me they were a part of a program they named
the program I've never heard of it and they

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they told me based on the oral testimony and
they provided me documents and other other

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proof that there was in fact a program that
the UAP task force was not read into do we

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have bodies do we have species both well naturally
when you recover something that's either landed

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or crashed um sometimes you encounter dead
pilots and believe it or not as fan as Fantastical

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as that sounds it's true

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all right guys so what do you make what do
you make of these claims um let's kind of

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start from the beginning I guess so this story
broke on the debrief uh and we should mention

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this this story was written by the authors
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Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane um let me
pull this out here and let's get our Infamous

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slides show up that we have here every week
not Infamous it's famous what am I talking

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about um intelligence officials say U.S in
possession of craft of unknown Origins so

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let me go through the quick breakdown here
a summary David Charles grush a veteran and

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former member of the National geospatial Intelligence
Agency and National reconnaissance office

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has blown the whistle in an official Complaint
to the Inspector General claiming that the

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U.S has retrieved programs to collect non-human
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landed or crashed during his time on the UAP
task force gresh says he was refused access

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to a materials recovery program that included
physical evidence of crafts he's prepared

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many briefs on UFOs for congress but last
year decided to provide hours of classified

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information and data about the material recovery
program Crush claims the material recovery

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program was shielded from proper Congressional
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2021 grush confidentially provided classified
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General about the withheld information but
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now crush is filling filing a whistleblower
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for disclosing the confidential information
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found Mr grush his complaint to be credible
and Urgent in July 2022 and a summary was

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given to the Director of National Intelligence
Senate select committee on intelligence and

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the house permanent select committee on intelligence
so there's a lot to break down there guys

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um what do you think let's go to the chat
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of break this down when he gets here um how
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uh very divisive right now um probably the
key thing being that grush did not actually

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touch these craft he did not see these craft
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credible people who worked Within These programs
um so that is probably one of the biggest

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things working against this case right now
uh there's no you know direct evidence any

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of these documents he handed over to Congress
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things we will probably never see some things
that I'm sure even Congress members were not

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able to see uh so so yeah that that's kind
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man and a few people very high I must mention
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these crash retrieval programs are hitting
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budget programs and um and there is no oversight
for that sort of stuff um however there is

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documentation and testimony that Rush was
given um that he puts a lot of validity in

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and thought that it was time to tell the American
public about this so um yeah yeah very very

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interesting let's go up to the chat I did
scroll past another Super Chat here that I

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did not want to forget thank you so much to
Bobby mcdude for the 499 Super Chat really

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do appreciate that uh Neil says that dude
will go missing next week I hope not I I really

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hope not man the story is just beginning so
I really hope that's not the case um we also

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had another Super Chat that I think I missed
here from the Bigfoot Society disclosure time

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bigfoot Society is on board thank you buddy
really do appreciate you being here please

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guys check out the Bigfoot Society podcast
if you haven't already Cryptids or the special

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place in my heart especially Nessie living
in Scotland but um always love me some Bigfoot

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as well so thanks man um let's see here

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James says there are crash retrieval programs
what they are for foreign aircraft um that

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is something I'm going to bring up later James
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you're saying there in terms of what some
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and that we may have possibly already have
heard of some of them um but clearly not all

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of them so so yeah um let's see Jeffrey says
Joe Rogan has already said he wants him on

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there you go Joe gets all the guests so hey
if we can get them on there you know Joe will

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Grill him like he did Bob Lazar um so we'll
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Bobby mcdew says his lawyers were handling
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they finished that part of his case and cut
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close to this we will bring that up I do want
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another story broke in in the debrief um that
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the next day said um that they were done they
were done with him um but there's there's

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more to that uh basically they said and I'm
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here is uh they were successful they were
his legal team to get him up to the point

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of uh going through the Whistleblower legislation
that was put into law recently to go through

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that properly legally and to uh get this article
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he wasn't breaking any security Oaths or you
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were um that were done we'll talk about that
with Bryce as well um and yeah yeah so uh

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people are very divisive about this whole
attorney thing and them you know cutting ties

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with him some say that was their job they're
done they were successful now he's on his

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own um and others say oh this is a sign that
they're already jumping ship on all this um

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primarily because and I'm sure any attorneys
in the chat if there are any could tell us

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you know um because you're representing someone
it does not mean that the firm quote unquote

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um you know lives and dies by the information
being brought forward it is their job to get

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this process going legally and in the best
interest of their client um so they wanted

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to make it very clear which may not have been
so clear in perhaps the debrief article or

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the follow-up by news Nation um that uh they
did they do not necessarily agree with the

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information kind of like you see you know
on documentaries and and podcasts and stuff

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where they say like we do not um necessarily
you know promote the information you're about

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to see um we're just presenting it so it's
kind of like that um yeah that's my very uh

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ignorant way of of saying all that but I think
that's kind of what they're dealing with but

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we're getting ahead of ourselves we will definitely
get to that um what I want to do before Bryce

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comes in here guys is um I want to cover a
couple clips now after this article came out

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by Leslie Kane and and Ralph Blumenthal again
the authors of the now famous 2017 New York

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Times article um they went on with our uh
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went on her show rebelliously Curious over
at the debrief and talked about you know how

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the article came to be and and you know getting
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and she has some really good questions that
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of those questions that I really wanted to
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uh why the article did not go to the Washington
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now we were told it was going to wapo or New
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out in the debrief and a lot of people were
like oh God like it couldn't even get to Washington

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Post or anything like that like clearly there
there's nothing to this however they do clarify

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that in this clip so I'm gonna play that for
you and this clip also includes them talking

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about um you saw in the news Nation segment
that grush did say there are bodies that bodies

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have been recovered of non-human entities
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that have been retrieved um Leslie and Ralph
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well so I'm gonna go ahead and play this clip
for you guys uh from the rebelliously Curious

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podcast with Chrissy Newton with her guests
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and we'll talk a little about that on the
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about mainstream media not picking this up
yet like slowly picking it up but in the beginning

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when you were looking to see that story and
outside of the debrief and we appreciate that

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it obviously obviously came to us but we know
the Washington Post didn't pass on this so

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let's clarify that but let's talk about you
know why you felt the pressure that you needed

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to put it out right away because we see that
tons of people are asking that question and

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try to clarify and and not make a conspiracy
theory that you know you were pressured to

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do this but instead why did you feel the pressure
individually not by other people to release

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this so fast I don't think we can reveal all
the reasons I mean it has to do with a lot

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of placement of various media that's going
to be coming after and so on but the main

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reason was because there were leaks that were
developing even his Dave's name came out one

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of the other people in our character in our
I think it was actually in an interview you

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did with Danny Sheehan actually and there
were other I mean there were just leaks that

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were building and building and building and
our our source Dave grocery starting to get

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nervous he was starting to get strange phone
calls there were you know people were making

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weird comments about FBI raids and it was
just like the tension was just building for

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him you know he'd been waiting for so long
that um it just got to a point where we were

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the leaking process was we were worried about
that somebody might go out and try to do a

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story about him that presented him in a negative
light for instance or lie about him in the

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media I mean people do all kinds of horrible
things so he just felt this urgency at a certain

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point we just had to get it out and and that's
what he wanted as well and you may want to

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add to that Ralph I don't know this is well
grounded because one of his complaints officially

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was that he was retaliated against illegally
Under The Whistleblower statute he is not

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supposed to have been retaliated against for
information he gave through proper channels

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but he was he suffered um retaliation details
of which we did not go into for his protection

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in the story but um so that was another fact
that you know as a journalist we know that

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the best way to protect a source once he or
she gives you you know important information

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is is to put that information out there get
it on the record because until that happens

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the source is really vulnerable to all kinds
of pressure and and as Leslie said he was

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receiving all kinds of you know threats and
and other things and um we needed to get his

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information out there so uh we lost the option
and the internet yeah as you know can be a

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Savage place there's a lot of people it's
unpoliced we know that it's good that it's

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open to all these different voices it's a
great strength of the internet anyone can

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you know be a journalist anyone can publish
anything that's great but of course it's not

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always verified and we have been the victim
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stuff that came out on the internet that undercut
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to preempt us um people have different motives
uh you know Rivals colleagues so it was getting

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really untenable we we had to get this information
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of some other organizations which were proper
in their you know that's their protocols but

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we had a move ahead to protect uh as you know
Dave and uh um that was a really huge Factor

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he's making claims of uh non-human craft and
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he said those are some extreme claims with
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you know how you came to sourcing that information
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going to look like in the future if other
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he did give you a few but are any photos or
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and potentially in you know in the coming
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to start right off we want to stay away from
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not something we talked to him about that's
nothing not something we would ever put in

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our story um and so if he wants to make that
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done that's I'm not going to be able to comment
on that and I you know it's just not part

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of our story I mean our focus on our story
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talked to us about and obviously there can
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about a specific craft or specific studies
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locations or pictures absolutely not because
they're all classified we know all that data

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exists and that's the kind of information
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inspector the inspector you know the Inspector
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and under oath by the way he talked to them
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us folks who don't have security clearances
will it ever come out we hope it will and

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maybe Congress will gradually authorize the
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is in charge of them will authorize that but
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held and highly protected through these who
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we got so much um that we could put into the
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we got Dave's statements um uh approval he
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of you know pre-publication you know release
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weren't saying that it was true or not they
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this it's not covered by any you know secrecy
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that we put in that story um on the record
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as as our real breakthrough that we could
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any laws um and through the uh you know restrictions
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all this material we I mean so much of this
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it but we got a lot of it on the record and
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on the record and usable um man if we could
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see that stuff um what do you guys think what
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is that Washington Post had this and then
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get it out they decided to go with the debrief
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himself to get it out uh because he was getting
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I'm gonna go to the chat in just a moment
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get our I'm gonna go through this a little
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uh but let's go to the chat first so let me
pull this up here a lot of people the chat

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are asking about the news Nation interview
Ross culthart it will be doing tonight um

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we'll have Bryce answer that when he comes
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on how you can stream that watch that um and
we will go through that with him um very very

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soon I actually think I see him popping up
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moment to get ready and we'll get with you
guys oh he gave me the thumbs up let's do

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this guys let's bring in the one and only
Bryce Sable welcome to Somewhere In Disguise

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my friend hey it's good to be here you know
it's funny um I'm sure this has happened to

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you but I was just about to sign in and in
a flurry of organization I pulled my mic over

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here and knocked the entire bottle of water
on myself and the keyboard in my mouse I've

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done that so many times oh my god well first
of all I don't even have a microphone so I

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want to apologize to you as well I'm in London
right now traveling without my gear um so

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I know I don't sound as good as I usually
do I apologize to the chat already but we

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will make do much you know you sound actually
great and you know I have that with uh Ross

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Colt art my uh need to know co-host was in
uh Paris France uh last week and we had to

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do a show and he didn't have his mic but I
couldn't really tell I mean mics are pretty

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great and if you're close to them in your
laptop not a problem not a problem at all

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man yeah I know well hey let's not waste any
time I know you've got a busy schedule today

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um let's let's let's talk first about this
is one of the biggest questions in the chat

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right now when and where can people watch
the news Nation interview tonight do you have

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that information I do to the best that I can
provide it um I know that uh it isn't like

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you know if you said CNN or fox or Ms people
would know how to get it a lot of people aren't

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even aware that news Nation as a news organization
even exists but they do uh and they have a

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lot of big names on it um but not everybody
either has it or know how how to get it if

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you have cable slash satellite you should
look there first it's probably there and in

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fact if you're curious about you know how
to find out if you have it where you are and

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you know your ZIP code then you just go to
join in.com so let me spell that out j-o-i-n

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nn.com so just to be absolutely clear because
I got confused that is three ends in a row

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j-o-i-n-n-n.com and you go there you put your
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service provider is for that now you may say
well I don't have that what am I supposed

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to do okay well you can get the app you can
I possibly sign up for a a trial I'm not quite

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sure how that works but there is an app news
Nation not Newsmax people keep getting that

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confused too it is not Newsmax it is news
nation and they have an app you can get that

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also they have a pretty uh effective YouTube
situation at least here in the United States

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uh I appeared with uh Chris Como uh a couple
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up in 20 minutes so if they're still on their
game like they were then then tonight whether

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you got to see this thing live or not uh at
least in the United States will show up now

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we get to the sixty four thousand dollar question
uh which I don't know the answer to what if

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you live someplace else you don't live in
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do that I don't know I have spent some time
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it was better for me to try to get prepared
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topic than to try to track that down so you've
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what's coming up on the schedule Ryan that
I think people might care about um and I'm

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going to give you um Pacific Coast times so
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stuff five o'clock more pre-show panels and
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uh special where he interviews uh Dave Dave
crush and then at seven o'clock and again

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these are all Pacific time at seven o'clock
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kind of thing so that you know if you if you
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see a lot of us talk about the the grush situation
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it's not a perfect answer for everybody I
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no we appreciate it it's a lot more clarity
than I think we had we'll figure it out guys

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once I get off the live stream here I'll I'll
uh I'll start looking for ways for people

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here in Europe to stream that but um now press
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these pre and Pro Show they I I supposedly
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at the last minute people are bumped and things
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there's a four o'clock and a five o'clock
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then after the show uh when there is the uh
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the post show if you will there's at least
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be part of it as I understand it although
it's interesting things happen Ryan I just

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have to tell you the other day um I was asked
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and uh you know normally when people called
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like what you and I are doing you know you
just you put your stream yard Link in or whatever

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it is and you're Off to the Races but fox
said okay listen we're sending a car for you

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so and by the way they called me while I was
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the middle of the movie I had to go we're
we have to race out to catch a car so I went

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and caught this car I'm being driven down
the 405 freeway to the to make this Laura

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Ingram uh interview and Trump gets indicted
so you can only imagine the hula blue going

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on at Fox uh with Trump under indictment so
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the 745 block and then it became 750 and I
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me home you know that you know you don't want
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at the very end for about two and a half three
minutes it wasn't much and it wasn't at the

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beginning but it was so interesting to be
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was pretty interesting all hands on deck hey
that's news for you baby well I do want to

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let people know you did a wonderful interview
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Play a clip later on in this live stream once
you've left us Bryce um it was a fantastic

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interview uh you clarified a lot for people
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developing story um so people in the chat
please check that out if you haven't we'll

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preview it later on um but I want to kind
of backtrack Bryce why we have you here um

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no this story broke and I think a lot of people
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to be let's kind of go back to the origins
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call it now um this breaks in the debrief
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simultaneously um so I'd love to know how
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Affair um I guess how if you know how the
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came to be if you don't mind no absolutely
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it I don't think I'll clear it all up but
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it grush era well you know after I wrote A.D
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call it A.G after grush of course but um okay
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need to know I guess something like 16 months
now maybe 18 months and I have been talking

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to Ross about whistleblowers that he's been
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not usually by name that's a a preference
that we both have uh for for good reasons

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and uh a while ago and I'm not going to put
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but then it became obvious that we were talking
about Dave crush and I learned a little bit

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more about that and then it became clear that
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what as I understand it he wanted to do is
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Ross would break the first um interview the
first on-camera interview which is now what's

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happening tonight it is that exclusive interview
on news Nation that's going forward so what

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originally As I understood it and again I
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participant by being Ross goldthart's partner
I am not the reporter of record and I don't

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know every fact about everything either but
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it um New York Times was not interested in
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Ralph Blumenthal attached and I don't know
the reasons why they specifically were not

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interested there's a thousand Reasons they
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Post and the Washington Post again I don't
have my calendar in front of me but my impression

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is it was about two weeks maybe more that
they had it but everybody was saying okay

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the Washington Post is going to publish then
a couple days later or whatever Ross's interview

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with grush will come out but then Washington
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said yeah we're not going to do it and as
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of my own uh there's two ways to look at that
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don't think that's what Leslie and Ralph think
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wanted more time to to make sure that they
had done their due diligence on all the names

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Etc that were in there so you know congratulations
to them for the the journalistic part of that

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so now you've got New York Times not doing
it Washington Post not doing it I heard briefly

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it went to the hill and they felt like they
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that people were pushing for and then it uh
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uh as I understand it their take was uh we
we want more time we want to run it past our

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own people those people may in indeed be writing
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that fell apart all right so at that point
they went to the debrief and I love the debrief

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guys I mean they're all friends of mine I'm
I'm terrifically happy they got it and they

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were able to I guess call a war room over
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get it out there which is interesting to me
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the debrief has fewer reporters on staff than
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the hill or Politico but they managed to do
it and then that sort of triggered the slow

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roll out of this interview that people are
have seen already clips of but we'll see a

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longer more extended version tonight and um
I I'm sure you have other questions about

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that but that's that that's the way I recall
it going down from my point of view sitting

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here in my office reading texts and messages
and that kind of thing yeah no I'm glad you

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clarified that for us it kind of gives us
some context as to why this came out when

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it did um why it was you know passed up by
certain outlets and not and yes I can attest

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um you know uh Chrissy Newton is my co-host
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time and she runs the pr over at the debrief
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um and they I will say this they did some
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short amount of time so kudos to everyone
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fact I'd throw out there for you because I
think people are trying to string this all

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together what I do know a lot about is the
recording of the interview with Crush all

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right and that occurred um on two days it
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year obviously um the big interview of course
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on May 9th was recorded in North Hollywood
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took it very seriously it was a sort of a
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to light it perfectly and there were I think
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it and it was a lovely set I mean when you
people have seen those clips and you'll see

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even more today it was the Great well thought
out location uh because I felt I think that

383
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they thought well we're doing this for the
historical record let's get it right and they

384
00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:45,650
did a great job of it now here's where it
gets a little confusing the day before and

385
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:51,540
I was there by the way I was there for that
news Nation recording I wasn't I didn't have

386
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:57,140
my anything to do with it other than did I
just lose you guys uh no okay so I didn't

387
00:39:57,140 --> 00:40:02,839
have anything to do frankly with um the the
journalism of the day I mean Ross had that

388
00:40:02,839 --> 00:40:08,180
handled six ways to Sunday he's a brilliant
investigative reporter and frankly he has

389
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:12,960
a wonderful interviewer so I hope people can
really appreciate that when they see um this

390
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:21,230
more of it cut all together they'll realize
how how terrific he is but um there was concern

391
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:27,970
that uh things could go wrong that Dave brush
might potentially decide he he changed his

392
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:33,950
mind maybe he didn't want to do it or there
you know you got to be a little paranoid given

393
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:38,890
the topic uh the thought was well maybe we'll
show up where we're supposed to and there'll

394
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:43,040
be federal agents there saying it's matter
National Security you can't record anything

395
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,530
we didn't know so what happened is the day
before which was May 8th we recorded what

396
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:55,000
I refer to as a safety interview with um with
grush and by safety I just mean uh it was

397
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,010
important to Ross and myself that we at least
get this guy on the record so that if anything

398
00:41:00,010 --> 00:41:05,720
bad did happen the next day there'd still
be a record of what he said so we recorded

399
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:13,339
um an interview on May 8th um you know here
in the Los Angeles area at a private house

400
00:41:13,339 --> 00:41:19,849
okay so now there are these two there's the
May 8th and the May 9th the May 8th one um

401
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:24,710
is not the one of record really it was just
like I said a safety copy they're very overlapping

402
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:30,170
they're almost the same thing and in fact
even within both of them you know the camera

403
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:35,280
was rolling a very long time but it doesn't
mean that everything uh on you know during

404
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:42,230
that role was a vital importance so anyway
May 8th uh the safety interview May 9th the

405
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:49,760
news Nation interview um and and that was
done several weeks uh before it was published

406
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:57,410
by the debrief wow okay interesting so I mean
he still even had time to not go forward with

407
00:41:57,410 --> 00:42:02,800
some of this if he wanted to First well you
know it's it's I think that's interesting

408
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,040
that you say that Ryan yeah I mean I've I
thought about that what would have happened

409
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:13,200
once you had the tape uh yeah right once he's
done the interview and he says you know guys

410
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,099
I've thought about it I'm I'm concerned or
whatever whatever reasons he might have and

411
00:42:18,099 --> 00:42:23,670
he says I don't want you to use it well I
I can't speak for news Nation but I'm pretty

412
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:28,900
sure that they would have said tough luck
yeah man I mean I'm signing your your name

413
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:35,480
on there and I'm kind of aging and what what
would we have done if news Nation had bailed

414
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,210
out or the um or the feds had showed up and
we had our safety interview what would we

415
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:47,020
have done with that I yeah I don't know I'm
not sure I mean these are alternative history

416
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:52,510
stories and you know I'm kind of a alternative
but I I would have to sit down for a few days

417
00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:56,990
and think about that one as to what really
would have happened I'm not entirely certain

418
00:42:56,990 --> 00:43:03,099
right there's an ethics class for you oh sure
oh yeah um well let's while you're here Bryce

419
00:43:03,099 --> 00:43:11,200
yeah what were your key takeaways from this
entire thing I mean there were some big claims

420
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,849
made you we can't deny that even people in
the UFO field are like Whoa man like this

421
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:22,130
is this is what we've always wanted I mean
it's crazy this is what we've dreamed of this

422
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:27,180
is what you know a lot of us envisioned and
now it's happening and now everyone's kind

423
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:35,510
of it's dizzying to hear such big claims coming
from such a credible individual we can't there's

424
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:40,780
no up from down left from right so I guess
from your perspective on this entire story

425
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:45,230
you've met with the man you've shook his hand
you've listened to him for a gosh seven plus

426
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:50,970
hours with this testimony um what are your
key takeaways and what should we really focus

427
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:55,790
on with this developing story it's a great
question I spent actually a couple of days

428
00:43:55,790 --> 00:44:02,490
with them May 8th and May 9th had lunch and
things like that very personable person um

429
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:10,420
I liked him as a person I thought he struck
me as a patriotic individual I didn't I didn't

430
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:14,620
get a you know I've been a journalist my life
I've talked to thousands and thousands of

431
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:19,030
people and I've been lied to by experts as
I like to say I didn't think he was lying

432
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:25,751
about anything I mean he you know just from
demeanor I would have said yes and um I agree

433
00:44:25,751 --> 00:44:30,490
I had been hearing the Rumblings of what he
was about to say for a while and I found them

434
00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:36,339
exceptional and shocking um not that I'd never
heard of certain things before I mean listen

435
00:44:36,339 --> 00:44:41,520
everyone who's listening to your your podcast
right now has heard of Crash retrievals crash

436
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:48,450
wreckage intact craft uh reverse engineering
possible body recovery and we've all heard

437
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:55,410
these stories right but they actually jump
from governmental interest saying yeah look

438
00:44:55,410 --> 00:45:00,329
there's uh some things in the sky that we
don't really know what they are to crash wreckage

439
00:45:00,329 --> 00:45:07,350
and bodies that's that's as you point out
that's a whole different world so what what

440
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:13,940
I I while there are a lot of intricacies in
it and I'm going to let the special that news

441
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:18,309
nation and Ross have put together speak for
itself so I'm not commenting on that I think

442
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:23,840
even everyone who's been following the story
right now if they've read the uh the debrief

443
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,530
coverage and seen some of the clips you know
that basically crush is saying that this has

444
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:35,349
been going on for a long long time minimum
of 80 years and possibly 10 longer than that

445
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:43,230
more on that later um we know that he's talking
about there have been crashes and recovery

446
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:50,319
but also that intact craft have been recovered
and and clearly that a reverse engineering

447
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:56,980
program has been going on and um much of it
is directed not by the government by but by

448
00:45:56,980 --> 00:46:03,560
um you know private companies in Aerospace
primarily and also there are bodies now he

449
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:10,829
hasn't been very uh detailed about that but
he doesn't mince words in terms of stating

450
00:46:10,829 --> 00:46:15,020
that they they have found them and they have
them and uh something that sticks out with

451
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:20,750
me you know he you've seen the clips by now
where he said that there have been um crashes

452
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:25,900
and I believe Ross says um how many and and
I think he says more than a few or something

453
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:33,599
like that my sense was and I hope I'm quoting
him from what he said on camera as opposed

454
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:40,350
to some other way that I heard it but I think
he said uh double double digits yeah for the

455
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:46,640
number so yeah you know that's the essence
of of what I know but again I will say this

456
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,770
I don't believe him because he's a nice guy
I don't believe him because he tells a good

457
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:59,660
story uh I lean toward believing what he is
saying specifically because of two things

458
00:46:59,660 --> 00:47:07,610
um the uh Inspector General for the intelligence
Community met with him over his uh whistleblower

459
00:47:07,610 --> 00:47:12,480
complaint he's the first guy ever to file
one under the new legislation and they called

460
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,329
what he stated urgent and credible so the
the matter is urgent and he's credible and

461
00:47:18,329 --> 00:47:25,650
his his sources are credible and they forwarded
that along with as I understand it some of

462
00:47:25,650 --> 00:47:28,930
the evidence that people are saying well why
didn't he why doesn't he have this evidence

463
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:33,099
well because Ryan they wouldn't let you and
me walk out of the Pentagon with a piece of

464
00:47:33,099 --> 00:47:38,900
a spacecraft or a photo of an alien any more
than they're going to let him do it it's classified

465
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:45,960
right but he was able to talk to the house
intelligence committee the Senate intelligence

466
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:53,119
committee as I understand it for over 11 hours
of testimony and tell them about these details

467
00:47:53,119 --> 00:48:02,980
and the details are locations dates uh names
you know those kind of associated details

468
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:08,780
that are pretty powerful and uh you know let's
face it uh that's what makes Incredible now

469
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:15,650
uh yeah it would be great if he said and here's
my picture of an alien we call Frodo and we

470
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:20,410
keep him in Maryland and I mean that would
be lovely that's not going to happen because

471
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:25,390
it's not your job or my job or ability to
do that right now but I'll tell you who could

472
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:31,460
do it and it's the the Senate and House you
know they they can direct these investigations

473
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:37,690
and let's not also forget the Inspector General
for the intelligence Community is as we speak

474
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:42,079
conducting its own independent investigation
and I think Dave grush would probably tell

475
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:46,849
you if he was on your show right now that's
all he'd hoped for right you know he knows

476
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:53,140
it's a sensational story uh he knows it in
his mind to be true and I think he would be

477
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:58,799
saying to people you know let the games begin
you know let let this system work the way

478
00:48:58,799 --> 00:49:04,630
it's supposed to let people check me out let
people check out what I say uh let the Senate

479
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:09,960
and the house go after these names and dates
and locations and you know turn over these

480
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,490
rocks and find out what's underneath so that's
my take on Dave Crush awesome well and you

481
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:21,740
know you bring up so many good points that
he wants people to challenge this story I

482
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:27,060
mean I know Ross has even said you know he
wants people to poke holes in this he wants

483
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:32,630
people to investigate and people are you know
there's many in the UFO Community specifically

484
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:40,079
who are immediately skeptical of this I I
understand the skepticism I do um but I and

485
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:46,240
I had some of those initial knee-jerk reactions
come on um but the more I looked into it the

486
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:54,550
more I saw how the process evolved and how
it was done as carefully as it was done um

487
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:59,210
there's a lot riding on this I mean like you
mentioned this guy swore this stuff under

488
00:49:59,210 --> 00:50:05,160
oath yes I mean there are ramifications for
this right that's Ryan you just filled in

489
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,250
the part that I forgot that is exactly true
my friend the guy told these stories not just

490
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:17,710
to Ross coltard or to Leslie Kane and Ralph
blooming or to me you know he told these stories

491
00:50:17,710 --> 00:50:24,140
under oath to the to the Inspector General
of the intelligence community and to the House

492
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:31,610
and Senate uh intelligence committee so if
you lie under oath to those people they wouldn't

493
00:50:31,610 --> 00:50:36,880
have a problem you know tossing you into a
jail cell someplace and throwing away the

494
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:45,250
key that would not be a problem so Dave grush
absolutely knows the risk that he has taken

495
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:49,990
by doing this and um I might I wouldn't the
only thing I would take issue with I don't

496
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:54,520
think he thinks he's asking people to poke
holes into it he's saying look I've done my

497
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,240
due diligence you do yours you don't believe
me entirely go look into it but I don't think

498
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:07,110
Dave thinks he said anything that he can't
back up he seems like a man who I don't know

499
00:51:07,110 --> 00:51:14,400
uh the way it struck me is just a man of essential
Integrity who got to the point in his career

500
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:21,440
in life where it was clear from his point
of view that this should not be hidden from

501
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,520
anybody in the world the actual confirmation
um and so he's done something about it and

502
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,079
I I do think that is an essential distinction
here what grush seems to be arguing is I sort

503
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:38,230
of break down what he said and what he said
to me is listen on one level we cannot we

504
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:45,079
should not be denying confirmation of a reality
okay the essential reality of our universe

505
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:50,349
should not be denied that should be confirmed
when it comes to the details which is what

506
00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:58,660
disclosure gets into Then There are rules
and um you know it doesn't undermine uh our

507
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:03,880
ability to reverse engineer something to Simply
confirm that there are other life forms out

508
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,270
there besides us and I think that's what crush
is most uh all about saying um that's the

509
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:15,290
information he has and uh the the people of
the United States the people of the world

510
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:20,869
uh all need to take this seriously and look
into it and if they find out that what he's

511
00:52:20,869 --> 00:52:29,619
saying is the truth then they will know what
to do and they'll start doing it absolutely

512
00:52:29,619 --> 00:52:36,329
ask this question sure because I know it's
on a lot of people's minds sure is it possible

513
00:52:36,329 --> 00:52:43,570
in your opinion and with your insights that
this could all be disinformation that that

514
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:49,460
brush is being played that this is just yet
another extreme version of Something Richard

515
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:56,420
Doty or someone like that would do um or are
we just too deep in for something you know

516
00:52:56,420 --> 00:53:05,839
I don't think so but let me spot you the premise
for a moment um to be played it's easy for

517
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:11,720
one person to play you right but this man's
talked to many many people right are they

518
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:19,200
all playing him is it some vast conspiracy
to play Dave grush to tell us this for what

519
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:27,150
reason would that take place I'm not sure
um but it doesn't seem likely to me um and

520
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:33,250
there's just no part of that for me that Rings
true having met the guy and talked to him

521
00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:40,329
um I I suppose it is possible that somebody
is showing him documents that were fabricated

522
00:53:40,329 --> 00:53:46,780
I guess that's possible um but he is a very
very bright guy and and I I I think what he

523
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:53,109
did is he read a lot of documents he he talked
to a lot of people he cross-referenced he

524
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:59,490
he's very thoughtful I don't think he was
being played uh but I but again it's not wrong

525
00:53:59,490 --> 00:54:04,940
to ask the question Ryan given given all the
people in the UFO business who have been played

526
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:09,920
over time because remember if this goes back
80 years or even 90 years then there's been

527
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:19,430
a lot of time and a lot of money spent that
is unaccounted for right so um it's possible

528
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:26,680
uh if if you have a trillion dollar budget
or or more on engineering and and so forth

529
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,220
and and nobody really has come to believe
the truth of things then you must be doing

530
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:37,010
something with some other money to to help
undermine you know our our attempt at knowing

531
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:43,540
our own reality so um I I think the guys who
have the secrets have had better toys than

532
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:48,829
most of us for the longest time and that may
change in the in the near future um but I

533
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:52,730
I see a momentum here and I I you know even
if people are challenging him I say that's

534
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:59,180
fine I mean of course go challenge him but
support the investigation and if I can cycle

535
00:54:59,180 --> 00:55:03,410
back to when we started talking at the very
beginning and we mentioned two of the interviews

536
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:07,670
that I had done in the last week one with
Laura Ingram and the other with Chris Cuomo

537
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:12,670
I noticed one thing that that you have in
common and you know they're hardly political

538
00:55:12,670 --> 00:55:16,390
you know mates in this whole thing they're
on you know I don't know I'm not even going

539
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:20,670
to try to describe where they fall on any
political Spectrum let's just say they probably

540
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:27,109
have differences but they both said to me
in the interview a kind of an aggressive posture

541
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:31,300
toward well you know what the government needs
to come clean about this and I was kind of

542
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:38,010
surprised um their their first take was not
um well I'm just so deeply skeptical and cue

543
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:42,990
The X-Files music and let me talk about tin
foil hats and green Little Green Men none

544
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:48,810
of that instead it was like this is this seems
like a serious charge and given the way it's

545
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:55,210
come forward uh the government has an obligation
to tell us what they do know and if if if

546
00:55:55,210 --> 00:56:00,380
this guy has got it wrong and there aren't
you know non-human intelligences out there

547
00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:05,520
well then tell us what is out there because
uh and both of them said words to this effect

548
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,890
tell us what is out there if it's something
else then let's stop this charade and let's

549
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:17,630
get to the bottom of what we're dealing with
and I you know what I can get behind that

550
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:23,260
absolutely and you know I think the stories
really just beginning um to kind of wrap things

551
00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:28,640
up first I know you've got other interviews
to do and whatnot uh what does come next do

552
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:35,030
you think we're now going to see some of these
actual individuals involved with the programs

553
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:41,150
themselves that touched the craft have analyzed
the technology have reverse engineered it

554
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:46,150
do you see that happening that they'll feel
so empowered to now do this through the proper

555
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:51,970
channels uh and where do we go from here I
mean I'm so excited to see the interview tonight

556
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:56,870
to see where this is all heading maybe more
information will come out of other individuals

557
00:56:56,870 --> 00:57:02,480
involved someone in the chat said you know
Dave even mentioned you know he spoke specifically

558
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:09,039
to four individuals who worked on the programs
so I mean there's names there's names and

559
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,830
programs there's names of individuals you
can't just unring that Bell any longer now

560
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:18,050
we need to see if we're going to hear from
those individuals so again long winded way

561
00:57:18,050 --> 00:57:23,339
of asking what comes next do you think more
whistleblowers will come forward and where

562
00:57:23,339 --> 00:57:31,980
is this all heading I I came to believe that
um they're well not to believe I I was told

563
00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:37,480
there are multiple other whistleblowers who
have already started into the process or gone

564
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:45,250
through the process and who have testified
uh and and supported what Dave grush has said

565
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:51,240
uh and they've set it to Senate committees
and house committees and to inspector generals

566
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,480
and that some of them uh candidly were waiting
to see how grush fared before they wanted

567
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:03,000
to come forward themselves uh in a in a public
way and um I don't know what those people

568
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:08,589
people that were sort of you know seeing what
the where the wind was blowing I don't know

569
00:58:08,589 --> 00:58:14,319
uh what they would think right now because
you know grush has had kind of a rough road

570
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:19,630
of it and who knows I mean maybe maybe that
makes them want to hold back but I really

571
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:24,180
think this is sort of the little boy with
this finger in the daycare I mean there's

572
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:29,290
just too much out there it's not going to
be easy I'm not not saying it's going to happen

573
00:58:29,290 --> 00:58:35,500
tomorrow or even in 2023 in the way that some
people would would like it but it does seem

574
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:44,089
like the if the if the underlying reality
is that there are multiple non-human intelligences

575
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:51,520
uh interacting with humanity and that there
are physical craft and have been for decades

576
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,910
and decades and that there have even been
bodies recovered I think we're to the place

577
00:58:56,910 --> 00:59:03,859
where this the sheer incredible reality of
that isn't going to be easily put back in

578
00:59:03,859 --> 00:59:09,740
the box it doesn't mean that there aren't
people uh who are in positions of power and

579
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:14,290
authority who wouldn't like to put it all
back in a box uh but I'm not sure that they'll

580
00:59:14,290 --> 00:59:20,210
be able to and because partly it's very clear
now that there is at least a group if not

581
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:26,309
a large and growing group of people who are
willing to say right now come on let's just

582
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:32,270
get it out and that doesn't mean that they're
Pollyanna any more than I am I look I think

583
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:37,049
it's going to be a mixed bag uh some of it
will be good and some of it won't be good

584
00:59:37,049 --> 00:59:42,140
and uh it's going to raise a lot of incredible
questions but I have to say I watched Whitley

585
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:47,510
strieber talk uh on his show the other day
a couple days ago and I was brought to Tears

586
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:52,710
by the end of it when he was like you know
it just I kind of choked up a little bit because

587
00:59:52,710 --> 01:00:00,079
if what he if what grush is saying is accurate
um then people like Whitley have every reason

588
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:06,609
in the the world now to believe they're likely
not crazy and yet there's been an attempt

589
01:00:06,609 --> 01:00:14,140
to malign them as as people who make things
up or to make fun of them because of what

590
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:18,640
they've described being done to them well
you know what there's so many things we're

591
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:24,170
going to have to deal with in the future and
it it exceeds crash retrieval it goes into

592
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:29,740
some of those issues like uh you know like
abductions and what about crop circles what

593
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:34,130
about any of that there's just a whole bunch
of stuff that it's time for us to get some

594
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:40,980
information about and it and I think uh history
is going to record that uh Dave grush uh has

595
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:48,381
an important part in that in the same way
that the December 17 2017 article in the New

596
01:00:48,381 --> 01:00:53,880
York Times had a part to play in that and
um you know I don't think we're at the uh

597
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,559
the end of this process we're really kind
of at the beginning right I mean you look

598
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,430
at the 2017 article and look at the ripple
effect after that and everything that occurred

599
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:13,339
from there Arrow aimsog um follow-up stories
just so much happened that again I think this

600
01:01:13,339 --> 01:01:19,619
is again another pin that we're putting into
ephology that will now um go in so many different

601
01:01:19,619 --> 01:01:25,200
directions I can't wait to sort of see how
that all plays out but um Rex before we let

602
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,339
you go any anything any last things we didn't
cover that you want to share about uh what

603
01:01:30,339 --> 01:01:35,839
to expect tonight or moving forward would
need I would just encourage people of to try

604
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:42,349
to see if they can find how to watch it and
if not um please go to need to know where

605
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:49,080
we're trying to curate some of the best video
of the whole thing we have a YouTube site

606
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,190
so that's need to know we also have a URL
need to know dot today so we'll try to keep

607
01:01:54,190 --> 01:02:00,490
those updated so people can find it uh I would
just ask people who do watch it you know keep

608
01:02:00,490 --> 01:02:06,410
um keep an open mind listen to what the man
says and I know people have tried to look

609
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:12,170
at these clips and go hmm I think his eye
is Shifting there and I believe he's you know

610
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:19,339
yeah that's all true but I would ask everybody
to apply the quality of empathy which is imagining

611
01:02:19,339 --> 01:02:25,799
yourself in that situation here is a man who
had a very successful career marked out for

612
01:02:25,799 --> 01:02:31,260
him and he ended up getting this assignment
and he did it well and he learned things that

613
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:37,210
shocked him and and and also appalled them
because his own government who he supports

614
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:41,990
who he has worked for who he's put his life
on the line for appears to have been part

615
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:50,250
of an extensive disinformation campaign and
he's decided to put that career now behind

616
01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:56,710
him firmly he can't go back right so his future
is completely Unwritten right now it's not

617
01:02:56,710 --> 01:03:00,470
clear what's going to happen to Dave crush
he's got everything and and he's not going

618
01:03:00,470 --> 01:03:04,420
to make a lot of money okay I know people
go well he wants to get on the UFO circuit

619
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:10,030
well Ryan you and I can both attest that nobody
on the UFO circuit that I'm aware of is making

620
01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:14,779
untold amounts of money and I don't think
that's going to be true for Dave grosh I would

621
01:03:14,779 --> 01:03:20,319
just ask people in the empathy point of view
to say if I had walked in his shoes if I'd

622
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:28,339
had his job and his experience and I took
the risk to myself my spouse my family to

623
01:03:28,339 --> 01:03:33,950
tell this truth to people what I'd be a little
nervous on camera too wouldn't I be measuring

624
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:38,250
my words as carefully as possible because
the government has written him a document

625
01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:44,119
that says Dave you said you wanted to talk
about these things well okay here is the red

626
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:51,570
line don't go over that red liner we might
just throw your ass in jail okay that would

627
01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:57,210
make me pause if if I knew that was happening
and just talking to you I would have been

628
01:03:57,210 --> 01:04:01,490
a lot cageier you know I don't think I'm going
to go to jail for what you and I have talked

629
01:04:01,490 --> 01:04:07,030
about so I'm a you know more willing to be
a little more open about it I'm just I just

630
01:04:07,030 --> 01:04:15,250
think listen to what the guy says um and be
ready for further uh information to come out

631
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:23,119
from multiple different sources and um let's
just see where this turns out and um you know

632
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:28,819
I think he's an American hero it's possible
I could be wrong I suppose so I too just like

633
01:04:28,819 --> 01:04:35,549
Dave maybe for different reasons I'm I'm looking
forward to the people in government to look

634
01:04:35,549 --> 01:04:40,910
into this but I'm also looking forward to
people in media to actually you know put some

635
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:48,240
resources into this I mean Russ coldhart is
a brilliant reporter but he didn't do this

636
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,720
for somebody else he wasn't working for news
Nation when he did this he did this on his

637
01:04:53,720 --> 01:05:01,440
own Ross coltar dug in like any good investigative
journalist and got this information right

638
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:10,440
it was only after he had it and he wanted
to expose it to a wider volume of people that

639
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,470
he eventually made the deal with news nation
that is culminating with this special tonight

640
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:24,109
so you know I just think I would I guess my
closing thing is let's not question everybody's

641
01:05:24,109 --> 01:05:30,550
motives immediately let's take a big breath
on that and sort of try it away you know what's

642
01:05:30,550 --> 01:05:39,470
being said who's saying it who has validated
them or not validated them and you know let's

643
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:44,170
let's see where it all falls down and I look
forward to doing a follow-up with you at some

644
01:05:44,170 --> 01:05:49,260
point Ryan where we can see how this has turned
out I mean let's face it folks whatever Ryan

645
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:53,960
and I have just said today I guarantee you
six months from now it's gonna feel like old

646
01:05:53,960 --> 01:06:00,170
news and if crash wreckage and retrievals
and bodies and reverse engineering feels like

647
01:06:00,170 --> 01:06:06,450
old news good God what's coming next I don't
know you can't say we haven't made progress

648
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:11,510
for your price that's it's interesting times
we're living in my friend Hey listen I know

649
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:15,670
you're a busy man thank you I will get you
out of here but I have to thank you for doing

650
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:21,240
this tonight with us I know you're very very
busy so we'll have to have you back on all

651
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:26,010
right good luck tonight with everything and
uh yes thank you again for joining me on summary

652
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:30,329
all right thanks everybody for watching and
your support on all of this love that need

653
01:06:30,329 --> 01:06:34,360
to know dot today in case you want to know
more Ryan thank you for everything best my

654
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,319
pleasure my friend we'll put links in the
show notes okay thanks have a great night

655
01:06:39,319 --> 01:06:40,549
bye

656
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:47,020
there it is guys the one and only Bryce Sable
giving us some of his very valuable time tonight

657
01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:53,140
which I can only imagine is a very busy night
again that news Nation interview will be premiering

658
01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:59,440
tonight on news Nation we will find a way
for you guys to watch it I know some YouTube

659
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,599
channels are probably going to be live streaming
it I don't know the copyright rules of that

660
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:10,000
I'll see if I can get something going so stick
around on the Ryan Sprague YouTube channel

661
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,500
here after this and um I'll see what I can
do if I have access to it if I can find access

662
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:23,520
to it I'm in Europe so I might not be able
to um we'll see we'll see um but other than

663
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,750
that I mean there's there's some other stuff
I do want to I do want to go over with you

664
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:33,500
guys um you know we did Only Have Bryce for
a short amount of time but it was well worth

665
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:40,180
it well well worth it um something we didn't
bring up with Bryce is um this recent uh you

666
01:07:40,180 --> 01:07:45,510
know the the things that were said by the
attorneys of Dave Crush um so I do want to

667
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:49,960
kind of read some of those specifically for
you guys I've got them pulled up on my phone

668
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:56,010
here because again I don't have all my equipment
with me but compass rose attorneys formerly

669
01:07:56,010 --> 01:08:01,860
end association with UAP whistleblower David
Rush attorneys from the compass rose Legal

670
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:08,559
Group who represented David grush in his complaint
to the IC Inspector General regarding harassment

671
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:13,320
he says he received during the investigation
of a supposed UAP crash retrieval program

672
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,000
within the dod have issued a statement saying
they have ended their formal association with

673
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:27,120
the Former Intelligence officer Compass Road
compass rose Legal Group successfully represented

674
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:33,299
David grush regarding his whistleblower disclosure
to the intelligence Community Inspector General

675
01:08:33,299 --> 01:08:40,929
about improper concealment of classified information
The Firm has requested corrections to media

676
01:08:40,929 --> 01:08:48,739
misrepresentations and inaccuracies about
the scope and details of their representation

677
01:08:48,739 --> 01:08:53,029
compass rose clarified they took no position
on the specifics of the alleged classified

678
01:08:53,029 --> 01:09:02,150
information disclosed publicly the igic found
gracious claims credible and urgent which

679
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:07,060
compass rose successfully defended him against
potential retaliation and wishing him well

680
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:12,799
for the for the mature so again like that
whole story does not mean that they walked

681
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:18,780
away because this is all [\h__\h] or anything
like that it simply means they did what they

682
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:23,800
were hired to do and they did it successfully
and just like Bryce said we'll see where this

683
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:32,250
all goes from here um so yeah what I want
to do right now guys is uh I do want to play

684
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:41,029
a little Devil's Advocate with our resident
skeptic and that is Mick West now he also

685
01:09:41,029 --> 01:09:46,960
joined Cuomo recently as Bryce did to talk
about this story and kind of um lay out you

686
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,890
know what what what what what what is going
on like why are we not seeing any of the documents

687
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:55,989
or the actual evidence so I'm going to go
ahead and play this clip for you and we'll

688
01:09:55,989 --> 01:10:01,220
talk a little bit about the other side of
all of this we'll talk about it on the other

689
01:10:01,220 --> 01:10:06,760
side skeptical about what he says he hasn't
actually seen any of these craft he hasn't

690
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,630
actually seen any of these bodies I don't
think he's even seen any photos of these craft

691
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:16,650
or these bodies so we need to take what he
says uh it's very interesting it would be

692
01:10:16,650 --> 01:10:22,140
wonderful if it was true I would love to find
evidence of alien visitors uh but ufology

693
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:27,820
has been a subject that has been filled with
promises we're always being promised promised

694
01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:31,550
that disclosure is just around the corner
the government is going to tell us what they

695
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:35,950
know and this just seems like another one
of those promises and until we actually get

696
01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:41,150
the goods until someone brings the receipts
I think we really need to be skeptical here's

697
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:48,010
the part I don't get why wouldn't we know
like what what would be what would be the

698
01:10:48,010 --> 01:10:54,930
rationale for keeping it quiet of government
let alone through 10 or 12 different administrations

699
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:59,659
that this secret has been kept quiet which
is you know certainly in the Modern Age boy

700
01:10:59,659 --> 01:11:04,500
if one party could find a way to expose something
in any way that created advantage over the

701
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:08,920
other side I can't believe that they wouldn't
but why would they keep it quiet yeah that's

702
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,679
the thing it would have to be this massive
worldwide conspiracy basically they're claiming

703
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:18,080
that we've had alien crap for many many decades
and they were being gradually releasing the

704
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:23,310
technology throughout the world but only the
US has it and they're somehow managed to get

705
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:28,060
everybody else to go along with this and that
somehow we've managed to keep this going for

706
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:33,230
around 70 years or so but we don't really
have any evidence of this now everything that

707
01:11:33,230 --> 01:11:39,190
grush said uh to the media was actually cleared
by the Department of Defense that means that

708
01:11:39,190 --> 01:11:44,590
he didn't actually reveal any secrets it doesn't
mean that I agree with what yeah I don't I

709
01:11:44,590 --> 01:11:50,179
didn't get that part either I didn't get that
part either and the Pentagon so first of all

710
01:11:50,179 --> 01:11:57,360
mixed point is that grush isn't saying anything
that the United States government hasn't talked

711
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,610
about already except except that he's talking
about the program and the existence of the

712
01:12:02,610 --> 01:12:05,720
program and what they're looking for the United
States government has never said they found

713
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:12,010
an alien spacecraft um but people at the Pentagon
have pushed back on this I just I wanted to

714
01:12:12,010 --> 01:12:19,220
get the language right but they the Pentagon
uh has said that has said this uh has not

715
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:23,830
discovered any verifiable information to substantiate
claims that any programs regarding the possession

716
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:28,370
or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial
materials may have existed in the past or

717
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:34,480
exist currently what does that mean in non-government
acronyms speak it means this theory that they

718
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:39,900
found alien stuff and been using the technology
and releasing it through the world is bunk

719
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:46,719
um you know so what do you think comes with
grush do you think he has any receipts well

720
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:51,469
I think we've got to realize that reverse
engineering programs have crashed uh spacecraft

721
01:12:51,469 --> 01:12:55,699
is actually a real thing this is something
that actually happened uh sometimes Russian

722
01:12:55,699 --> 01:13:01,370
spacecraft crash sometimes Chinese spacecraft
craft a crash and we we retrieve the remains

723
01:13:01,370 --> 01:13:06,120
and then we study them and it's top secret
and I think it's possible that some people

724
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,930
in those programs which are very highly compartmentalized
not everyone knows what everybody else is

725
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:15,030
working on became convinced that they were
working on alien technology and somehow this

726
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:19,300
kind of story grew within the group and now
you've got a bunch of people who think that

727
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:23,679
they were working on alien technology when
they were really just working on Chinese technology

728
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:27,260
so we've really got to see what he actually
tells Congress and what are the people he

729
01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:33,179
brings along to give a testimony to Congress
because right now all we have is he's heard

730
01:13:33,179 --> 01:13:41,690
other people tell him things and that's really
not good enough as evidence

731
01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:47,909
I mean you can't argue I guess you can't argue
but you can't deny that some of this stuff

732
01:13:47,909 --> 01:13:55,620
Mick brought up is true um you know there
have been specific UFO quote-unquote UFO crash

733
01:13:55,620 --> 01:14:02,100
retrieval programs that have been made public
um that we are aware of um I'm gonna actually

734
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:08,240
pull something up for you guys here uh just
give me one sec here

735
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:20,151
because I do want to talk about this a little
bit project Moon dust now for anyone in the

736
01:14:20,151 --> 01:14:26,699
chat who's not familiar with this uh this
was a program that we basically know about

737
01:14:26,699 --> 01:14:34,949
now it has been unclassified um where let
me see I I've got some information right here

738
01:14:34,949 --> 01:14:41,659
for you I want to make sure I have it project
Moon dust and project bluefly these were covert

739
01:14:41,659 --> 01:14:47,280
projects by the United States Air Force during
the Cold War that existed at the Air Force

740
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:53,500
missile Development Center at Holloman Air
Force Base and the aim of the project was

741
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:59,110
to recover objects and debris from spacecraft
that survived re-entry through the atmosphere

742
01:14:59,110 --> 01:15:07,870
back to Earth and to exploit exploit the discovery
of Soviet Hardware when it temporarily fell

743
01:15:07,870 --> 01:15:17,510
into America's hands um this as you can see
right here um this is one of the files on

744
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:21,900
Project Moon dust and I do want to read a
little bit of this because it's interesting

745
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:27,389
let's read a little bit from one of these
one of the leading daily newspapers um of

746
01:15:27,389 --> 01:15:35,929
La Paz El diarrio diarrio diarrhea oh gosh
please no one clip this uh carried a front

747
01:15:35,929 --> 01:15:43,040
page story on July 19 1979 stating that a
second UFO or unidentified object very similar

748
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:49,000
to the first one reported had been found in
Santa Cruz Department um blah blah blah new

749
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,370
sphere fell from space in Santa Cruz an unofficial
translation of the article follows a second

750
01:15:54,370 --> 01:15:58,980
Fireball fell from the sky early in the morning
on the same day the first one was found near

751
01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:04,860
katika the second one was found 200 kilometers
north of the city of Santa Cruz on the farm

752
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:15,440
of Juan severdo by the capaciano Gonzalo manacho
Riveras the place is in the area of buen retiro

753
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:21,880
near the uh Yara cane River according to the
information given uh let's see here a loud

754
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:28,831
whistling sound and a uh Fireball was seen
followed by an explosion so again this is

755
01:16:28,831 --> 01:16:35,870
kind of just an example of some of the stuff
that project Moon dust was looking at um however

756
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:41,540
a lot of this project Moon does stuff was
also analyzed at Wright Patterson Air Force

757
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:47,560
Base and this is a place where grush has said
that some of these programs could possibly

758
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:54,100
exist or wear materials that came from space
spacecraft as he called them uh were were

759
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:59,170
brought to um so make of that what you will
we have project Moon dust and things like

760
01:16:59,170 --> 01:17:04,159
this that are out there in the public so could
this be one of the programs gresh is referring

761
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:09,449
to or something completely different um we
don't know yet we don't know because we don't

762
01:17:09,449 --> 01:17:13,719
have the names of the programs we don't have
the people who worked on them maybe we will

763
01:17:13,719 --> 01:17:18,910
maybe we'll learn more tonight in this interview
that Ross goldthard is doing um and I see

764
01:17:18,910 --> 01:17:23,550
the chat asking when is it where can I see
it I don't have all that information guys

765
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:28,380
um hopefully someone in the chat will know
what time it's at and um where you can see

766
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:33,400
it I'm in Europe so I don't believe I can
but we will figure out a way trust me trust

767
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,510
me keep an eye on the channel after this live
stream and we'll see if we can find it for

768
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:44,080
you um but yeah yeah so I thought this moondust
story was definitely worth bringing up as

769
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:50,429
well um the last other thing I kind of want
to cover with you guys is um you know Bryce

770
01:17:50,429 --> 01:17:55,110
mentioned you know that Dave a lot of people
are kind of looking at how he acted during

771
01:17:55,110 --> 01:18:02,679
the interview and doing like body language
uh stuff and um I actually I think it's interesting

772
01:18:02,679 --> 01:18:08,600
to play a clip from a body language expert
who did look at those clips um I want to get

773
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:15,320
this right this was Dr John Paul Garrison
he's a forensic psychologist and Body Language

774
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:22,150
expert and he analyzed the news Nation interview
there should be a full link in the show notes

775
01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:26,719
for the full body language analysis of this
for you guys but I'm going to go ahead and

776
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:32,429
play a clip from that um and yeah let's just
kind of let's look at it and see if maybe

777
01:18:32,429 --> 01:18:38,679
there is something to it let me grab this
here we go g here I'm a licensed clinical

778
01:18:38,679 --> 01:18:42,300
psychologist and Body Language expert and
today we're going to be analyzing the body

779
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:47,120
language of the UFO whistleblower David grush
David grush is an Air Force veteran and a

780
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:54,400
former U.S intelligence officer he claims
that the U.S has intact UFOs as well as discovered

781
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,560
bodies of Pilots of non-human origin the nature
of these claims are very different than many

782
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,560
of the body language analyzes I do but it
seems that a lot of people are interested

783
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,340
in this so let's get started so I can tell
you what I'm observing as far as body language

784
01:19:07,340 --> 01:19:11,500
goes before we get started I do want to remind
you to like And subscribe if you want to see

785
01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:15,270
more content just like this alright let's
go what we're going to watch now as part of

786
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:18,850
an exclusive interview with news Nation we're
going to look closely at his body language

787
01:19:18,850 --> 01:19:22,949
and I do want you to keep in mind he was part
of the National geospatial Intelligence Agency

788
01:19:22,949 --> 01:19:26,850
so he does have legitimacy so before the interview
even begins something you're going to notice

789
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:30,880
is that his lips are pursed now what this
can mean is it can mean lack of confidence

790
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,210
it can also mean stress anxiety or concern
now he's getting ready to do an interview

791
01:19:35,210 --> 01:19:39,190
on television he's getting ready to talk about
what he says are government secrets that could

792
01:19:39,190 --> 01:19:43,389
make somebody feel any of those ways but I
just want you to keep in mind how this is

793
01:19:43,389 --> 01:19:50,570
starting people on Secrets he says no one
has ever shared publicly before you are one

794
01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:57,290
of the most trusted former intelligence officials
in the U.S defense and intelligence establishment

795
01:19:57,290 --> 01:20:01,780
yes I was so we're seeing a slight smile that
could be a nervous smile it could be socially

796
01:20:01,780 --> 01:20:06,100
appropriate behavior or it could be that he
is preparing to deceive we're gonna have to

797
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:12,300
see which one it is you were trusted with
the most Intimate Secrets yes so right now

798
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:15,600
he's nodding his head along with yes as he's
acknowledging that he's trusted with Secrets

799
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,550
he's U.S intelligence so of course he's been
trusted with Secrets I'd be shocked if he

800
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:23,679
wasn't trusted with secrets so that is true
and I want you to keep in mind that he does

801
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:27,870
nod his head when he's saying yes and sometimes
he shakes his head when saying No this can

802
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:30,929
be very important it sounds like a small point
but it's something that's going to be very

803
01:20:30,929 --> 01:20:35,710
consequential as we continue to watch this
interview let's just watch it again sit with

804
01:20:35,710 --> 01:20:42,389
the most Intimate Secrets yes sitting down
with the award-winning investigative journalist

805
01:20:42,389 --> 01:20:48,610
Ross coldheart who's reporting for news Nation
the end of your time on the UAP task force

806
01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:55,100
the UAP task force was refused access to a
broad crash retrieval program so we're seeing

807
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:59,800
the person of the lips we're seeing the corners
of the mouth go back this is oftentimes associated

808
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,389
with anxiety concern things like that now
once again he's saying things that he says

809
01:21:03,389 --> 01:21:07,280
are secrets so maybe that's no shock but I
just want you to keep track of all the little

810
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,820
body language pieces that we're seeing okay
let's watch it again those refuse access to

811
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:18,370
a broad crash retrieval program when you say
crash retrieval what do you mean these are

812
01:21:18,370 --> 01:21:25,679
retrieving non-human origin technical Vehicles
you know call it spacecraft if you will not

813
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:30,210
now this is where it starts to be questionable
as to whether or not his head shakes are consistent

814
01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:35,090
with what he's saying so watch this again
human origin uh technical view now right now

815
01:21:35,090 --> 01:21:38,770
is his sort of bobbing so you can't really
say it's nodding or shaking at this point

816
01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:43,570
Vehicles you know call it spacecraft if you
will all right so he was shaking his head

817
01:21:43,570 --> 01:21:47,620
called a spacecraft if you will now maybe
he was doing that for emphasis or maybe he

818
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:54,880
was suggesting no as he's talking about spacecraft
let's keep watching non-human exotic origin

819
01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:00,780
vehicles that have either landed or crashed
we have spacecraft from another species we

820
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:08,739
do yeah how many quite a number you're kidding
no I thought it was totally nuts and I thought

821
01:22:08,739 --> 01:22:13,929
at first I was being deceived it was a ruse
people started confiding in me they approached

822
01:22:13,929 --> 01:22:20,280
me I have plenty of current former senior
Intelligence Officers that came to me now

823
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,870
we're starting to see head shakes as he's
talking about this about current and forward

824
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:28,860
senior officers coming to him that starts
to seem a little bit more like he's not agreeing

825
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:34,660
with what he's saying let's watch this again
me I have plenty of current former senior

826
01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:39,820
Intelligence Officers that came to me many
which I knew almost my whole career that invited

827
01:22:39,820 --> 01:22:44,800
to me they were a part of a program they named
the program I've never heard of it but when

828
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:50,010
he says I've never heard of it part of a program
they named the program I've never heard him

829
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:53,000
arching his eyebrows like that it's consistent
with him talking about something that did

830
01:22:53,000 --> 01:23:00,720
surprise him bird events and they they told
me based on the oral testimony and they provided

831
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:06,389
me documents and other other proof that there
was in fact a program that the UAP task so

832
01:23:06,389 --> 01:23:10,380
after he said that they provided me documents
and her proof he did a heart swallow oftentimes

833
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:15,110
we associate that with very significant amounts
of stress does that necessarily mean he's

834
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:20,170
lying no but we do oftentimes see with deceitful
Behavior because people feel anxious after

835
01:23:20,170 --> 01:23:25,030
saying that maybe he feels anxious for another
reason but I can say pretty conclusively that

836
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:28,750
that hard swallow after saying that would
be associated with stress let's watch that

837
01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:35,340
again Tony um and they provided me documents
and other other proof that there was in fact

838
01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:43,030
a program that the UAP task force was not
read into if you're telling us the truth everyone

839
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:49,179
the entire American public has been lied to
for decades yeah there's a sophisticated

840
01:23:49,179 --> 01:23:57,120
uh disinformation campaign targeting the U.S
populace which is extremely unethical and

841
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:04,040
immoral you are saying intelligence representative
at a high level from the US government is

842
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:11,570
saying publicly we are not alone we're definitely
not alone absolutely the data points all right

843
01:24:11,570 --> 01:24:16,870
now this is from behind but watch this he
says absolutely the data points just watch

844
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:22,210
his head during that we're definitely not
alone absolutely the data points absolutely

845
01:24:22,210 --> 01:24:26,489
the data points so that was a pretty clear
headshake as he said that empirically that

846
01:24:26,489 --> 01:24:31,830
we're not alone yeah the lit person again
once again that goes back to anxiety and stress

847
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:35,810
does that mean he's lying no not necessarily
we oftentimes look for that and lying in deceit

848
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:39,449
because people are stressed when they lie
or when they're being deceptive it could also

849
01:24:39,449 --> 01:24:46,469
be that it's stressful talking about or revealing
Secrets do we have species both well naturally

850
01:24:46,469 --> 01:24:52,510
when you recover something that's either landed
or crashed um sometimes you encounter dead

851
01:24:52,510 --> 01:24:58,489
pilots and believe it or not as fan as fan
so he's closing his eyes as he's saying this

852
01:24:58,489 --> 01:25:01,930
I talk a lot about people closing their eyes
when they're talking we oftentimes do that

853
01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:05,730
when we're thinking about something that we
don't like now does that mean that he's lying

854
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:10,030
not necessarily sometimes it can be used as
a way to deceive it could just mean that he's

855
01:25:10,030 --> 01:25:13,429
thinking about something he doesn't want to
think about or something he doesn't like but

856
01:25:13,429 --> 01:25:17,460
it's a it's a behavior worth noting let's
watch him say this again sometimes you encounter

857
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:26,190
dead pilots and believe it or not as fan as
Fantastical as that sounds it's true and as

858
01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:31,280
we saw there was a pretty vigorous head shake
as he said it's true let's watch that again

859
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:38,650
as fan as Fantastical as that sounds it's
true and the corners of his mouth are tight

860
01:25:38,650 --> 01:25:41,350
again which once again suggests stress or
anxiety so I've got to be blunt about this

861
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:46,510
you're not making this up this is not a lie
no absolutely not so now you're seeing him

862
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:50,420
vigorously shake his head no so you might
be asking yourself well if he's answering

863
01:25:50,420 --> 01:25:53,929
this and showing this body language here doesn't
that contradict what you were saying a second

864
01:25:53,929 --> 01:25:58,320
ago well not necessarily because something
that we see and we see this on Trials all

865
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,610
the time because normally I'm analyzing trials
is that when people are asked a question directly

866
01:26:02,610 --> 01:26:07,580
and they want to have a very strong point
about it they can have body language consistent

867
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:11,440
even if it's not the truth so they can say
no and shake their head very vigorously it's

868
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:15,679
that it occasionally spills out occasionally
they don't hide it well everybody watching

869
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:22,381
this right now is looking at your face they're
going is this guy for real I am for real and

870
01:26:22,381 --> 01:26:27,510
I once again there were the eyes closed I
am for real now that could just mean that

871
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:30,940
he's stressed talking about this it could
also be a sign of deception it'll have to

872
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:34,989
be up to you to decide what you think it is
so what conclusions can we come to after watching

873
01:26:34,989 --> 01:26:39,440
this interview well he definitely had a lot
of stress he definitely showed a lot of concern

874
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:43,989
there were times where it suggested a lack
of confidence does that mean he's being deceptive

875
01:26:43,989 --> 01:26:48,560
or lying not necessarily but what it does
mean is that it brings forth a lot of stress

876
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,780
and anxiety something that we oftentimes see
when people lie that's not the only reason

877
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:58,580
people show that what I find harder to get
past is him shaking his head no when saying

878
01:26:58,580 --> 01:27:02,270
things in the affirmative so do I believe
that he's privy to information that suggests

879
01:27:02,270 --> 01:27:07,310
that we have non-human Pilots that we found
I'm not convinced yet I definitely want to

880
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:11,420
see more what I'm open to seeing and hearing
more about this as we continue I'm sure this

881
01:27:11,420 --> 01:27:24,510
isn't the last we've heard of this

882
01:27:24,510 --> 01:27:28,949
so yeah guys I know that was a little lengthy
but I did want to really know kind of cover

883
01:27:28,949 --> 01:27:36,820
this you know I mean it's body language expertise
is not like a definitive science in in any

884
01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:42,300
structure of the imagination but a lot of
people have issue with how he kind of came

885
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:47,369
across during that only time will tell this
is one body language experts kind of analysis

886
01:27:47,369 --> 01:27:53,010
of it um and he even said you know none of
this means he's lying he's just under you

887
01:27:53,010 --> 01:27:57,679
know stress and and that's kind of where we're
at I would be stressed too if I was coming

888
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:02,699
forward with this stuff either if it's true
or if I was lying um it would be super stressful

889
01:28:02,699 --> 01:28:07,469
um knowing there's no going back after that
no matter what um and the implication to either

890
01:28:07,469 --> 01:28:16,159
it being a lie or it being true uh being extremely
uh God terrifying either way so so yeah I

891
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:21,810
I had to show it I don't know um I thought
it was worth showing um what I want to do

892
01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:27,100
now is and I guys I know I have some super
chat questions for Bryce that I was not able

893
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:33,460
to get to we had such limited time I did not
want to interrupt him um I do apologize but

894
01:28:33,460 --> 01:28:39,110
uh I do to I will get those questions to Bryce
and hopefully have him answer those for you

895
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:44,350
either on Twitter um I'll try to get his responses
or we'll have him back on we'll have him back

896
01:28:44,350 --> 01:28:49,010
on to talk about all of this I I'm sure he
would be willing to do that he's a wonderful

897
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:53,200
friend and colleague over here at somewhere
in the skies he publishes all my articles

898
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:58,510
as well on medium on his Trail of the saucers
so please check those out if you haven't yet

899
01:28:58,510 --> 01:29:03,800
uh just go to Ryan Sprague medium you can
see all my articles and all of Bryce is fantastic

900
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,820
articles over there as well but let me go
through a few of these super chats thank you

901
01:29:07,820 --> 01:29:12,770
Bobby mcdud appreciate it Bigfoot Society
thank you Jazz nobody vouching for him has

902
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:18,290
touched a craft either that we know of I love
this story but it's still the second hand

903
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:24,330
testimony of one man waiting to see all very
valid points Jess and we're all waiting to

904
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:31,830
see as well my friend for sure um Jazz with
a second Super Chat thank you my friend thank

905
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:36,560
you to Owen thank you to Android paranormal
Bryce do you know if Ross or anyone has tried

906
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:41,949
to reach out to Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor
for common Android um I can speak to that

907
01:29:41,949 --> 01:29:48,719
actually personally um yes yes he has uh I'm
sure we will learn more about that in the

908
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:51,350
coming weeks months possibly um he has

909
01:29:51,350 --> 01:30:01,940
uh let's see Gareth thank you so much for
this Super Chat as well Cairo thank you thank

910
01:30:01,940 --> 01:30:06,190
you thank you what do we know about the four
people who say they were direct directly involved

911
01:30:06,190 --> 01:30:11,030
right now with the program we don't know a
lot Kyra um hopefully we caught I'm so sorry

912
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:17,790
ciao I believe I was putting an r in your
name on accident um we don't know much hopefully

913
01:30:17,790 --> 01:30:23,679
we will learn some stuff possibly tonight
shall see Bigfoot Society thank you for becoming

914
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:29,150
a YouTube member truly truly really do appreciate
that enjoy your perks and rewards you get

915
01:30:29,150 --> 01:30:36,330
early access to the show and you get bonus
content as well so thank you so much for joining

916
01:30:36,330 --> 01:30:41,040
um Gareth I said Thank you thank you guys
appreciate it um let's get back to the chat

917
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,840
here guys and we're going to start wrapping
things up so you can get ready for the Ross

918
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:52,429
colfar interview tonight um let's see I want
to see if I'm missing anything oh my God it's

919
01:30:52,429 --> 01:30:57,369
so hot here guys in London I can't believe
it I'm like I know you can see me sweating

920
01:30:57,369 --> 01:31:04,350
the air conditioning isn't working uh it's
a nightmare um but we will power through um

921
01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:10,320
let's see here oh yeah this is what I wanted
to talk about key takeaways we got to go here

922
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:16,620
um so Mike over on Twitter uh he posted this
earlier and if you're not following him be

923
01:31:16,620 --> 01:31:25,170
sure to um let me get his Twitter handle for
you guys he does these amazing highlight uh

924
01:31:25,170 --> 01:31:30,460
clips of all the interviews and podcasts that
are out there um and just does incredible

925
01:31:30,460 --> 01:31:34,440
work I get a lot of my podcast highlights
of the week from him but I want to make sure

926
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:43,900
I get his Twitter handle right um it is at
Mike Colangelo so that's at

927
01:31:43,900 --> 01:31:50,210
m-i-k-e-c-o-l-a-n-g-e-l-o he is a wealth of
information and I highly suggest following

928
01:31:50,210 --> 01:31:55,121
him um and he came up with these key points
from the entire story and kind of what we

929
01:31:55,121 --> 01:31:59,360
could take away from this so I'm going to
go ahead and read these quick um us is in

930
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:04,660
possession of quite a number of non-human
craft 12 to 15 crafts some fully intact and

931
01:32:04,660 --> 01:32:10,699
some are not some have landed some we have
caught some have crashed there have been 90

932
01:32:10,699 --> 01:32:18,969
plus years of non-human craft retrieval cover-ups
90 plus years that's crazy um if you haven't

933
01:32:18,969 --> 01:32:24,389
go to disclosure team's YouTube channel Vinnie
and check out his latest YouTube video about

934
01:32:24,389 --> 01:32:30,930
the 1933 Italy crash I believe it was uh when
Mussolini was involved it's crazy that could

935
01:32:30,930 --> 01:32:35,770
have been one of these very early ones um
and they talked about it over there um let's

936
01:32:35,770 --> 01:32:44,369
see one non-human craft retrieval took place
in Italy Italy 1933 and the U.S took the craft

937
01:32:44,369 --> 01:32:51,510
in 1944. of course they did U.S takes everything
they supposedly took craft from um the border

938
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:59,440
of Mexico too ume UFO crash I believe it was
we've got a patreon episode on that so uh

939
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:04,659
join our patreon guys you can hear all about
that case um there were cases where the craft

940
01:33:04,659 --> 01:33:12,250
landed and the occupants left the craft unoccupied
they were like we out we're out of here um

941
01:33:12,250 --> 01:33:18,130
you can have this uh let's see there are occupants
and the US is in the possession of non-human

942
01:33:18,130 --> 01:33:23,530
bodies there have been high level people including
generals who have placed their hands on the

943
01:33:23,530 --> 01:33:28,010
craft One Source has said that there have
been three different types of non-human craft

944
01:33:28,010 --> 01:33:33,889
seen that they have seen excuse me three different
types everything about these craft retrieval

945
01:33:33,889 --> 01:33:39,610
programs have been illegally withheld from
Congress Crush has submitted classified information

946
01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:44,620
to Congress and the IC Inspector General including
two whistleblower complaints to the IC Inspector

947
01:33:44,620 --> 01:33:49,960
General one about the hidden programs and
one about reprisals including 11 hours of

948
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:56,660
testimony to Congress all under oath other
intelligence officials have provided similar

949
01:33:56,660 --> 01:34:01,969
corroborating information both on and off
the Record so again some key takeaways from

950
01:34:01,969 --> 01:34:06,690
all of this um it's really only beginning
guys this is exciting I know there's a lot

951
01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:11,739
of arguing going on and a lot of people are
just brushing this over I kind of did at first

952
01:34:11,739 --> 01:34:17,020
um but I the more I look into it the more
I'm like huh there might be something to this

953
01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:22,500
and there are implications to this story no
matter what will It Fade Into Obscurity like

954
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:28,630
most of this stuff does um and then come back
every 10 years like the Bob is our story maybe

955
01:34:28,630 --> 01:34:34,350
maybe who knows um but there's a lot writing
on this there really is for Crush personally

956
01:34:34,350 --> 01:34:41,490
um for the debrief for Leslie Kane and Ralph
Blumenthal so I'm going with my God on this

957
01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:46,890
one I think there's something to this story
how much I don't personally know um but I'm

958
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:52,560
here with you and I'm just gonna enjoy the
ride and see where it all leads I'm sure we'll

959
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:58,110
have members of all of this on to talk about
it in the future um Chrissy will be on to

960
01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:02,550
talk all about her involvement with this over
at the debrief so we'll definitely touch on

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01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:08,110
that um but yeah guys I think that's gonna
that's gonna do it for today we've been going

962
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for almost an hour 30. um again my special
thanks to Mr Bryce Sable for joining us tonight

963
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,670
he really didn't have to do that on a very
busy day for he and Ross so thank you Bryce

964
01:35:19,670 --> 01:35:25,701
thank you for doing that um I want to thank
everyone in the chat I know this was uh you

965
01:35:25,701 --> 01:35:31,170
know we we didn't get to all your questions
and comments but um it was a this is a very

966
01:35:31,170 --> 01:35:37,380
viewed live stream um more than most so I
tried to keep up with it um my apologies if

967
01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:41,360
I didn't get to everything but again we'll
have Bryce back on to talk about all of that

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01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,980
um where do you stand on all of this let me
know in the comments below not in the live

969
01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:51,670
chat but in the actual comments below so that
we will have them there in perpetuity and

970
01:35:51,670 --> 01:35:56,540
you guys can continue the discussion down
there um be sure to check out that news Nation

971
01:35:56,540 --> 01:36:02,510
interview tonight if you can if not like come
on guys 2023 it's the internet it'll be up

972
01:36:02,510 --> 01:36:08,540
within moments of it ending um so you will
see it we'll have a lot more to talk about

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01:36:08,540 --> 01:36:16,409
probably tomorrow um and speaking of tomorrow
before I let you guys go I do want to tease

974
01:36:16,409 --> 01:36:24,300
um some stuff oh I didn't I didn't talk about
um I didn't talk about this hold on so I went

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01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:30,239
to Calvin Calvin Scotland uh I had the amazing
opportunity to head to Calvin Scotland with

976
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:38,139
James Fox the documentary filmmaker and we
went to what we believe was the exact spot

977
01:36:38,139 --> 01:36:43,530
where the Calvin UFO photo was taken so you
will see the original photo that was recently

978
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:49,949
released um from August 4th 1990 where these
two guys claimed that they on a hike they

979
01:36:49,949 --> 01:36:55,530
saw this craft this diamond ship craft hovering
in the sky and a Harrier jet following it

980
01:36:55,530 --> 01:37:01,960
um they took seven photos either six or seven
photos and they eventually ended up into the

981
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:08,679
hands of the RAF and the mod and they were
never seen from again um however one of those

982
01:37:08,679 --> 01:37:14,770
photos was tucked in the desk of the original
RAF press officer who interviewed the witnesses

983
01:37:14,770 --> 01:37:19,600
he had this in his possession for some 30
plus years and finally it was released this

984
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:27,300
past year um so James Fox and I and a few
other members of his filming crew uh headed

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01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:32,030
up to Calvin with a gentleman named Giles
I'm not going to give away his last name who

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01:37:32,030 --> 01:37:40,180
lives literally right below Calvin um and
he having um known the area for a very long

987
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:47,420
time and actually having Craig Lindsay the
RAF officer the Press officer with us oh my

988
01:37:47,420 --> 01:37:54,119
God it was a crazy car ride up to Scotland
up to calvine um and we learned so much from

989
01:37:54,119 --> 01:38:00,040
Craig Lindsay and he also helped us triangulate
where this could have been taken this Photograph

990
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:05,330
and it was like a hour hike up there it was
not easy I thought I was gonna die a couple

991
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:10,330
times I'm not gonna lie um James Fox made
it up there with no problem dude is in amazing

992
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:19,840
shape unlike me um and we think we found it
I mean obviously nothing is for certain um

993
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:25,060
but we found an area after using the witness
testimony kind of reenacting everything that

994
01:38:25,060 --> 01:38:30,980
happened um according to this witness testimony
um we think we found the fence post we even

995
01:38:30,980 --> 01:38:37,119
think we found the possible shrubs or trees
above it um now granted our photo has a lot

996
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:44,000
of land in the background um a perfect Blue
Sky uh very clear um this photo was taken

997
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:50,580
on a very cloudy day um so there's two differentiating
things for you right there um our angle isn't

998
01:38:50,580 --> 01:38:55,890
obviously exactly the same I get that it was
very hard to get that angle that they took

999
01:38:55,890 --> 01:39:00,760
the photo at I'm not gonna lie so make of
that what you will maybe this isn't the area

1000
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:06,450
but we I'm I'm just gonna say it like James
Fox and I turned to one another and we got

1001
01:39:06,450 --> 01:39:13,219
chills like we really feel like this could
possibly be where the photo was taken if it

1002
01:39:13,219 --> 01:39:21,010
is if it is and I use that word if in big
capital letters I'm not certain but we think

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01:39:21,010 --> 01:39:29,200
it's possible um you can immediately put the
water reflecting an island and boat you can

1004
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:35,640
put that theory to bed there's not a single
droplet of water anywhere no locks no Lakes

1005
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:41,810
no Rivers nothing within like a 10 mile radius
of where we took this photo again if this

1006
01:39:41,810 --> 01:39:46,960
is the exact area um but according to the
witness testimony and everything we we looked

1007
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:52,170
into James will be bringing forth more information
about this in his upcoming new documentary

1008
01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:58,310
um we think we found it so we can at least
lay this stupid water boat reflection thing

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01:39:58,310 --> 01:40:04,150
to rest um that doesn't mean this was a craft
from Zeta reticuli um I personally believe

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01:40:04,150 --> 01:40:12,250
it was some sort of top secret U.S technology
honestly I do um Craig Lindsay kind of leans

1011
01:40:12,250 --> 01:40:16,070
in that direction I don't want to put words
in his mouth but we had some very long conversations

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01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:22,740
about that so whatever the case may be guys
um we went there we did this it's there for

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01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:28,530
you to see on my Instagram right now um there's
somewhere in the sky's Instagram you could

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01:40:28,530 --> 01:40:33,500
see more photos we took of the area um and
you'll see a lot more in the upcoming documentary

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01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:40,130
by James Fox later uh I think early 2024 that'll
be coming out so yeah stay tuned for that

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01:40:40,130 --> 01:40:46,389
as well last but not least stay tuned um next
week for a brand new episode of somewhere

1017
01:40:46,389 --> 01:40:51,469
in the skies where we interview journalist
Mike Demonte he's been on the show quite a

1018
01:40:51,469 --> 01:40:56,960
few times he has a brand new book out called
above the fold and The Fringe and it could

1019
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:03,810
not have come at a better time than this huge
story breaking in ufology so we talk all about

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01:41:03,810 --> 01:41:08,550
um that breaking story with crush and the
cross retrieval programs and how it plays

1021
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:16,170
in to how UFOs are handled in the mainstream
media and alternative media we break the article

1022
01:41:16,170 --> 01:41:21,610
down we break down all the key players that
have been involved in UFO journalism in the

1023
01:41:21,610 --> 01:41:26,520
past you know a few years since the New York
Times broke their story and uh we get a crash

1024
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:31,909
course in what good journalism is and does
a lot of this UFO journalism fall into that

1025
01:41:31,909 --> 01:41:37,639
or not um so please please please check out
Mike damonte's brand new book from Beyond

1026
01:41:37,639 --> 01:41:41,800
the Frank publishing above the fold in The
Fringe I'll put a link getting the show notes

1027
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:46,909
for that and be on the lookout for our extensive
interview with Mike next week on the show

1028
01:41:46,909 --> 01:41:51,000
um this interview this episode tonight of
somewhere in the live stream with Bryce Sable

1029
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,720
will be this week's podcast of somewhere in
the skies so that'll be out in just a couple

1030
01:41:55,720 --> 01:42:00,290
hours I'm gonna do some light editing and
get it up for those who just listen to the

1031
01:42:00,290 --> 01:42:05,409
show um if you do just listen to the podcast
version in the future um know that we did

1032
01:42:05,409 --> 01:42:09,520
talk a lot about visuals tonight in the body
language section so you might want to head

1033
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:15,500
over to YouTube and watch that um but that's
it guys again thank you so much to all the

1034
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:19,870
super Chatters thank you to our YouTube members
our patreon subscribers our Apple premium

1035
01:42:19,870 --> 01:42:25,070
subscribers and everyone in between I truly
do appreciate you being here tonight um if

1036
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:29,840
we have any new viewers or listeners thank
you I hope you enjoyed this we do this live

1037
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:35,659
stream every Sunday at 4pm Eastern Standard
Time and then um we do the podcast of somewhere

1038
01:42:35,659 --> 01:42:42,250
in the skies every Monday so that episode
will be out in the coming hour I'm going to

1039
01:42:42,250 --> 01:42:46,750
leave you with that guys we covered out of
that tonight and this story has only just

1040
01:42:46,750 --> 01:42:51,750
begun so I cannot wait to see what comes of
it I can't wait to see this interview tonight

1041
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:57,599
that Ross culthart did um and I'm sure we'll
have a hell of a lot more to talk about with

1042
01:42:57,599 --> 01:43:03,260
as this story unfolds so thank you to everyone
in the chat um I truly do appreciate all our

1043
01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:08,840
regulars being here and all the new people
as well so I will leave you guys as always

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01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:14,360
with our slogan here and that is keep your
feet on the ground but never stop searching

1045
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:19,810
somewhere in the skies have a great night
and watch that news Nation interview and we'll

1046
01:43:19,810 --> 01:43:32,460
talk about it soon take care

1047
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[Music] [Applause] [Music]

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thank you